KEEPING WATCH

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[Rhett] The longer you are in a place you know, you know, you become very familiar with your territory, with your area. It’s like, you know, kind of you can kind of compare it to walking in your living room and, you know, there’s painting or something.

[Mark] Or the tables a little bit different or crooked.

[Rhett] And you say, Oh, look quite right.

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And you can, you know, become so familiar. You can you can just say, oh, that’s not right. A lot of times it will be light or maybe a rock

[Mark] or a dust devil or pollen, but, you know, dust

[Rhett] You become I mean; your brain just helps you have that information. I don’t know.

[Mark] Most of the smokes we’ve seen, I would say, happened.

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[Mark] I mean, sometimes when you’re intensely looking after a lightning storm, for sure. But smokes don’t often come and they often will come much later. I mean, we’ve had a hold over a bona fide hole over for three weeks at a time. So you can’t just, you know, hang out and not look, you have to be looking all the time.

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[Mark] Plus the human element as well. Even though most of our smokes, the vast majority are lightning caused you know, you do have people out there and that makes a difference. You know, as Rhett was saying this, you know, you’re looking for something that’s different for the anomaly. You know, the change. And even though, you know, that’s a rock slide over there and you’ve seen it every afternoon light up with the sun, it still gets you going.

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[Mark] You know.

[Rhett] So you get binoculars and double check.

[Mark] Also, we have some things that can confuse you are water dogs. Do you know what I mean? These columns of steam or it’s ground fog that can take on a variety of shapes. And some of those things can look just like smoke. And they’ll come up right where the lightning has been.

[Rhett] Frequently after storms have come through and you really have watch it.

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[Mark] Right? We do. Of course, we have cell coverage up here, which is good and bad, I suppose. Back in the day, all we had was the radio, you know, and, uh. And what was your you can contact people by phone and you can get on your lightning tracker app and which I have discovered are not very accurate.

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[Mark] They don’t jive with what we are seeing. So it’s sometimes, sometimes yes, but not all the time. So you can’t really rely on that.

[Michael] Do you think that there’s something we’re thinking about this a lot in our project is, you know, there’s an even though there are many remaining lookouts in specifically Idaho we’re thinking about, but there was once over a thousand or close to a thousand.

[Mark] Probably, yeah.

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[Michael] Yeah. And now there’s, you know, far fewer that standing, and far fewer than that staffed now. And so, there’s obsolescence kind of occurring, you know, where the fire tower is—because of technology— becoming a little bit less essential and in some ways, right.

[Mark]. Yeah.

[Michael] And do you think that there is something lost in the transition away from the human staffed fire look?

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[Mark] Hell yes, I do. Uh, I’m not biased or anything, you know, but I definitely do. Uh, number one, if this was if we had a webcam up here, okay, the webcam is not talking to you right now, by the way you know, or any other visitor who might come, come through. Plus, somebody has got to be reading that somewhere in an office, perhaps, uh, uh, there’s something about about being up here.

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[Mark] There is kind of a feel that you get, you know, as, as we’ve spoken earlier for the forest and that can use technology. We use the radio, you know, we use the cell phone, we do that and we, I will we will look at the lightning tracker, the radar for sure to see what’s coming. You know where it is.

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[Mark] But, uh, you know, but I think those things in… there are satellites, there’s an infrared flight, we have one last night that comes over and checks out the boundaries of the fire. We’ll look at that for sure. And I think that, you know, we have the fire finder, the Osborne Firefighter right there, which has been popular since the thirties, I believe.

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[Mark] That wasn’t always around. You know, we’ll use that. And binoculars, too. I mean, it’s and better and better binoculars for sure. But I think that, you know, if you take away, can you really remove the human element from it, you know, from this whole idea of of detecting fires? Not really. Somebody has got to be, you know, watching somewhere.

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[Mark] And I just think it’s so much better, you know, up here at a tower. Are there risks? Yeah. I mean, you know, because you could fall down the stairs, you know, or, uh, but I think it’s personally, particularly in this day and age, it’s one of the best places in the world to be—talk about social distancing.

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[Mark] But, uh, but no, I think, I think that, you know, there are, there are some traditions that, that we have in the various institutions in our country. And I, I think with the Forest Service that the lookout, you know, the pack train, you know, the packer who still have, you know, knows the art of packing animals and managing animals.

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[Mark] Those traditions are valuable and worth keeping asking them for. I don’t know. What do you think?

[Rhett] Well I think so and lookouts main job of course is reporting fires but you also serve as communication in backcountry situations for people working our, you know, in remote areas. So that’s another function.

[Mark] There’s not constant radio coverage everywhere out here. You can be, you know, in a you know, in a valley somewhere, a canyon that you’re not going to be able to get out.

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[Rhett] and also you if you have people on a fire, you have eyes, you know, on the fire, you know where people are. So, you can alert people on a fire to the incoming weather, any kind of changes that you happen to see, maybe a fire gets really active in an area that you need to let people that are actually on the ground working…

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[Rhett]…know, that’s dangerous. You know, there are other aspects to the job other than spotting and reporting fires.

[Mark] Trail crews, too. We had one when we were in in 2013, after the or during the Gold Pan Fire, we got moved over to Salmon Mountain Lookout and had a trail crew out and they were unaware of a fire coming in from the Nez.

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[Mark] And, uh,

[Rhett] They were sending them to camp at a cabin that was…

[Mark] very close to the advancing fire. In 2003, uh, we were at Hell’s half, and, uh, and our daughter was a firefighter. I think it was her first year as a firefighter. Our eldest daughter. And we were listening to the Salmon in a fire. They had several, about seven fires going on down there, and one of them was called the Cramer Fire just over the border, maybe, I don’t know, 20 air miles away.

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[Mark] And and we listened as a series of events unfolded and and two helitech guys got burned up. And, uh, it was horrible. And our daughter was on a fire just just to the east of us and getting ready to go into a another fire that was blowing up. And we’ve always felt a responsibility for for firefighters.

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[Mark] But on the ground, and particularly in fires that are in our area. But I’ll tell you, when you have one of your own out there, it really makes you think about it even more. And that’s as Rhett was saying, that’s one of our, I think, greatest responsibilities up here and a satellite is not going to help those guys, you know, uh, and anyway, so, yeah, we think it’s it’s worth having the tower up here and people staffing it.